(keitai-l) Re: SIM and J2ME

From: Jorge Alonso <jalonso_at_symlabs.com>
Date: 09/24/03
Message-id: <66A9A474-EE52-11D7-8D96-000A95909EDA@symlabs.com>
Conigma seems to be up to the same things fusionOne used to evangelize.


On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 10:20 PM, Chris Wooldridge wrote:

> Addressing some of the recent traffic re my post on this subject:
>
> One of the key arguments against thin service frameworks is packet 
> billing
> charges.  My understanding is that where carriers are considering this 
> type
> of solution, they would be bundled as a part of a flat rate all you 
> can eat
> plan.  A number of readers have pointed out that these plans are 
> becoming
> widely available outside of Japan.  I personally pay about 1500 yen a 
> month
> for all the GPRS data I can choke down.
>
> Bearing that in mind, before we dismiss thin services out of hand, 
> take a
> look at the Cognima trial with Orange:
>
> http://www.cognima.com/releases/25_jun_03.shtml
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/29271.html
>
> The Register article points out, there are many useful scenarios for 
> this
> type of product.  Adding thin-client components into the phone
> infrastructure means networked corporate applications can be accessed 
> and
> remotely managed in the same way.  This is something we at Bullant do.
>
> Performance, by the way, is very good.  At the Wireless Japan shows 
> this
> year we demonstrated this fact with multi-player move based games being
> played between a DoCoMo and J-Phone handset.  Latencies in the order 
> of one
> second were the norm for moves in a Connect 4 game running between 
> different
> players on different handsets across different phone networks.
>
> BTW, checkout http://www.x-9.com/ - they used to have an iMode ping 
> tool in
> their iMode menu under tools.  The answer for iMode latency was 
> 150-200ms
> which is very usable.  In Australia, we put up with one to one and a 
> half
> second round trip latencies on GPRS.
>
> Thin in the Bullant model also means I can run multiple networked
> applications simultaneously so I can play a game, compose a mail and 
> engage
> in an IM session without any loss of context with instantaneous 
> switching
> between applications.
>
> It has been pointed out that Japanese carriers do not own applications 
> -
> content providers do.  Having worked in Japan for some time I 
> understand the
> model well.
>
> Not so with Cognima.  It is being trialled and branded by Orange in 
> Europe.
> By providing this service, Orange hopes to increase customer 
> satisfaction
> and reduce churn.  I believe Cognima are trialing with six European 
> carriers
> in total.
>
> I concede that the concept of a 'thin phone' is a poor idea.  As I was 
> at
> pains to point out in my original post, this would only work when 
> network
> connectivity is ubiquitous (in utopia that is - and my carrier doesn't 
> have
> a roaming agreement with them yet).  There are a number of models for 
> a thin
> service framework that must provide a balance on the phone and in the
> network functionality and can add to the overall user experience.
>
>
>
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Received on Wed Sep 24 08:45:48 2003