On the other hand, phones in Japan now come with up to 128Mbyte
removable storage media + a lot of built in memory.
What's the point of having the phone book (and your picture album,
and your other personal data) on a central server when you have
128++ Mbyte storage in your handset here and now with no
latency and no connection problems?
Central servers are for things like airplane reservation systems,
corporate data, weather forecast etc.
I think "thin phones" will go the way of the "network computer",
you remember the hype, that PCs will be replaced by thin clients,
and all computing will be on central servers...
Gerhard
Bill Volk wrote:
> In the USA, some of the carriers have cheap (AT&T) or even flat rate
> data plans (T-Mobile).
>
> I suspect that this trend will spread.
>
> Historically, any commodity will eventually reach a reasonable profit
> margin .. because competitors will see cutting prices on these services
> as a way of gaining market share.
>
> I really don't see $0.10 per. line text messaging holding out too long
> either.
>
> In our case, our multiplayer games and chat systems don't use that much
> bandwidth ... but as we bring richer experiences onto the handsets .. we
> will need to move more data.
>
> Bill Volk
> Teknik
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net
> [mailto:keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net] On Behalf Of Gerhard Fasol
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:10 PM
> To: keitai-l@appelsiini.net
> Subject: (keitai-l) Re: SIM and J2ME
>
>
> Chris,
>
> this is all nice in theory, but I don't think this works in real
> life -
>
> and also it's based on yesterday's non-internet phone experience
> as it is still widespread outside advanced mobile countries like
> Japan or S-Korea:
>
> (a) do you like to pay data charges to the carrier every time you update
> your personal phone book?
>
> (b) do you like to pay data charges everytime you show your
> personal photo album to a friend
>
> (c) in reality (in advanced mobile countries) people store a LOT
> more than the phone book in their mobile phone: 100s of emails,
> 100s of photographs of kids, friends, holidays, parties, melodies, etc.
> People don't want to pay data charges everytime they go through their
> personal photo album, and they want to be able to show the personal
> photoalbum even if they are not connected to the carrier network
>
> (d) when you are in the subway, do you want to have to wait for the
> next station, where your phone connects, to write an email on your
> phone? No: you want to be able to type continuously whether you
> are connected or not.
>
> My response to this thin-phone-client-idea: forget it.
>
> Gerhard
>
>
> Chris Wooldridge wrote:
>
>>An alternative route to achieve the same end goal is for the network
>
> to
>
>>become the phone interface.
>>
>>The idea is that the handset is essentially a thin-client. The actual
>>interface displayed on the handset by this thin client is under the
>
> control
>
>>of a server based application that is in turn controlled by the
>
> operator.
>
>>Thus, you get the concept of a thin phone.
>>
>>>From this concept, it is a small step to having a network managed
>
> phonebook,
>
>>a network managed bookmark list, and a network managed personalised
>
> list of
>
>>my applications. The key to success from a technical point of view is
>
> the
>
>>generic nature of the thin client application and the ubiquity of
>
> network
>
>>connectivity and the balance between what is on the phone and in the
>>network. I can't place a call unless I have a network, so it does not
>>really matter if my phone book is stored in the network itself.
>
> However, I
>
>>will always want Ridge Racer to be stored and run locally on the
>
> handset.
>
>>Once you get the basic structure in place, networked applications can
>
> be
>
>>incrementally added to the handset menu.
>>
>>Who owns the server applications including your address book: the
>
> operator.
>
>>It makes changing network just that little bit more of a pain in the
>
> butt.
>
>>Bullant http://www.bullant.com.au/ has been pushing this idea for a
>
> couple
>
>>of years now. Other startups like Cognima http://www.cognima.com/ are
>>moving in the direction of network managed handset database
>
> replication.
>
>>I am sure there are plenty of others...
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Benedict Evans [mailto:ben@ben-evans.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:32 AM
>>To: keitai-l@appelsiini.net
>>Subject: (keitai-l) Re: SIM and J2ME
>>
>>
>>
>>What the operators would really like is that when you put (say) an
>>Orange SIM into a handset then the interface (including messaging,
>>profiles, address book etc) changes to one specified by Orange - and
>
> if
>
>>you then replace the Orange SIM with a Vodafone SIM, then suddenly the
>>whole interface becomes Vodafone. In other words, you replace 'Is
>
> series
>
>>40 better than SonyEricsson's interface' with 'Is mmO2's interface
>>better than T-Mobile's?' J2ME on the SIM is certainly one route to
>
> that.
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net
>>[mailto:keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net] On Behalf Of John Whelan
>>Sent: 23 September 2003 13:38
>>To: keitai-l@appelsiini.net
>>Subject: (keitai-l) SIM and J2ME
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>As you may know (to be honest I had not heard of this before I was
>
> asked
>
>>about it) Gemplus and other SIM producers (www.simalliance.org) are
>>touting the concept of J2ME on the SIM and I wonder if anyone had any
>>direct experience and/or opinions from Japan/Korea. Personally I think
>>it is likely to go the way of SIM toolkit as the MNOs and the handset
>>manufacturers will not give this technology much support. Another
>>complication in an already overcrowsded value chain?
>>
>>John
>>
>>www.alatto.com
>>
>>
>>
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