P505iS' hinge is called "nail clippers' style" and it's a great design not only it can do both flip and rotate, but may be used in the future to accommodate large auto-focus zoom lens. both the DoCoMo flag ship P and N handsets are now falling behind and let's wait and see if their new Linux handsets will be better than Mot. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/Received on Mon Nov 3 15:52:32 2003