(keitai-l) Re: off-topic Java bashing

From: James Santagata <jsanta_at_audiencetrax.com>
Date: 09/08/02
Message-ID: <00c601c25761$f5d4bf80$0201a8c0@ix.netcom.com>
Just to close the loop on this
and some reach some conclusions
on the original thread about Java:

1) The original comments I made were to this post:

>I thought this CNET article would be of interest to list members:
> http://news.com.com/2100-1033-956351.html?tag=cd_mh
> "Java on mobile platforms is not living up to the promise of letting
>programmers "write once, run anywhere," according to developers gathered
>in London last week."

2) I simply stated this truism:

>While I don't have experience with Java on the mobile side,
>the article does echo what I've experienced with Java on the
>desktop side -- write once, test everywhere.

3) There are obviously a few Java evangelists here
who disagreed with my observations and those
of the people mentioned in the above CNET article
about Java. No evidence was given to suggest
that my comments of the CNET articles were unfair
or uncorrect. They then changed the discussion to
focus on Java's supposed other strengths such as security.

4) I debated the validity of those strengths
and brought the discussion back to the original premise
numerous time which I have not seen refuted by anyone
including you:

a) Even if Java were the best choice for secure applications
it does not mean that Java apps can be written
once and run anywhere. Period.

b) Java is not a write once, run anywhere application.

c) It most likely never will be, so don't expect it to be.

That is not Java bashing, that is not off topic.

5) How can you possibly equate
my drawing from my Java desktop
experience and pulling in other
evidence to support my statements that Java
is not "write once, run anywhere" as "lecturing".

It's called supporting an opinion with logic and facts
and if more people took the effort to do it,
there would be more insightful discussions and
less sophomoric debating tactics such as immediately
coloring an opinion or position you disagree with as "bashing".

James Santagata

A U D I E N C E T R A X
http://www.audiencetrax.com

>From: "Joseph Bowbeer" <jozart@blarg.net>
>
> James Santagata <jsanta@audiencetrax.com> writes:
>
> >> I hate to see this Java bashing (especially off topic Java bashing).
> >
> > It's quite unfair to characterize cogent and objective discussions
> > of some of Java's shortcomings as "bashing".
>
> What I read (lectures about McNealy and Java on desktops and servers), did
> not appear to be drawing on any experience with Java on handheld devices,
> and these devices are the focus of this list.  I think that's what was
meant
> by "off-topic Java bashing".
>
> --
> Joe Bowbeer
Received on Sun Sep 8 21:11:32 2002