didn't see the original article but the 60 versus 11,000 comparison for BREW
vs. J2ME developers seems weird, whether it was "analysts say" or not.......
surely these BREW numbers represent developer shops? and the 11,000
individual individual downloads. it's important to remember that download
numbers are not the same as developer numbers.
just found the URL -
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5595654.html?tag=ch_mh
its amazing how much proof is generated when you compare apples and oranges
\
\ 10:35 PM
Subject: keitai-l Digest V2 #90
> keitai-l Digest Mon, 16 Apr 2001 Volume: 02 Issue: 090
>
> In This Issue:
> application errors on phone.
> Re: application errors on phone.
> Re: Imode Competition
> Re: keitai-l Digest V2 #89
> Re: keitai-l Digest V2 #89
> Re: US Java Phones
> Re: US Java Phones
> Re: application errors on phone.
> Re: Javascripting in Imode
> Re: Common Compact html tags
> Re: application errors on phone.
> Vote for your fav i-Appli
> Re: Vote for your fav i-Appli
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:03:52 -0700
> Subject: Imode Competition
> From: Virgil Vergara <virgil@hawaii.rr.com>
>
> What are the other competitors of Imode? I know that KDDI has Skyweb
right?
> I not sure but the other competitors I heard have a respectable market in
> their own rights although not as large as Imode.
> What kind of technology do they use? Is it WAP?
>
> Virgil
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:02:24 +0900
> Subject: US Java Phones
> From: "JAPON.NET" <web@japon.net>
>
> CNET reports that Java Phones were introduced in March in the US.
> Anybody has more info? How are sales going?
>
> Qualcomm adds to partner brew CNET News.com April 13, 2001
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5595654.html?tag=mn_hd
> (...)
> Analysts say even with Qualcomm's BREW gaining more than 60 developers, it
> still pales in comparison with Sun's Java initiative for cell phones,
which
> has signed on about 11,000 developers. Phones with Java and applications
> like a rudimentary Tetris-style game already were introduced last month in
> the United States.
> (...)
>
>
>
>
> Vincent J. Luna, Director
> --
> JAPON.NET llc.: Making Your Company Visible in Japan
> web_at_japon.net http://www.japon.net/web/
>
> iMode Eye: Independent Source on Japan's mBiz
> http://www.japon.net/imode/
> --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ashish Agrawal" <ashish_ag@hotmail.com>
> Subject: application errors on phone.
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:28:51
>
> Hi,
> Does anybody know how to debug an iAppli on the actual phone ? (it only
> gives me a generic message, saying that "application contains an error").
>
> BTW, everything works fine on an emulator .. so i have no clue what's
going
> wrong. Any suggestions.. or any experinces anyone wants to share. ??
>
> Thanks,
> -Ashish
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:39:27 +0900
> From: Henry Minsky <hqm@ai.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: application errors on phone.
>
> + What emulator are you using?
>
> DoJa seems to be the closest to a real phone. I woiuldn't trust
> the other emulators very much.
>
>
> + I debug using print statements... write a debug function which opens an
> http connection back to your server, and have a script that appends debug
> messages from the phone to a log file.
>
> You can wrap a big "catch" around everything, but the KVM doesn't
> give very specific error messages.
>
> Use lots of print statements!
>
> + Make sure your jar file is not more than 10kbytes, and that you aren't
> allocating
> more than about 100 kbytes of heap space (phones vary a lot as to how much
> heap an IAppli can use)
>
>
>
>
>
> At 01:28 PM 4/16/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Does anybody know how to debug an iAppli on the actual phone ? (it only
> >gives me a generic message, saying that "application contains an error").
> >
> >BTW, everything works fine on an emulator .. so i have no clue what's
> >going wrong. Any suggestions.. or any experinces anyone wants to share.
??
> >
> >Thanks,
> >-Ashish
> >_________________________________________________________________________
> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
> >
> >
> >[ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Andrea Hoffmann" <ah@anima.de>
> Subject: Re: Imode Competition
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:55:05 +0900
>
> Virgil,
>
> > What are the other competitors of Imode? I know that KDDI has Skyweb
> right?
>
> Nope, KDDI/AU offers a service called EZweb, which is based on WAP and
> uses HDML. Then there is J-Phone, offering J-Sky, which is using MML (a
> HTML derivate).
>
> These are the major two competitors of i-mode in Japan.
>
> > I not sure but the other competitors I heard have a respectable market
> in
> > their own rights although not as large as Imode.
>
> According to the Telecommunications Carriers Association the subscriber
> numbers are as follows:
>
> i-mode: 21,695,000
> EZweb: 6,716,000
> J-Sky: 6,156,400
>
> (03/2001)
>
> For the technology, you can find a good overview about these three
> services at MMJ:
>
> Main Mobile Internet Services in Japan
> http://www.mobilemediajapan.com/stories/storyReader$1432
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrea Hoffmann
> --
> Andrea Hoffmann ---- Consultant ---- EGIS Japan
> hoffmann_at_egis.co.jp -- http://www.egisjapan.com
> International Consulting and Project Management
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "george ruiz" <jr2677a@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: keitai-l Digest V2 #89
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:52 +0900
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I am having a bit of a hard time finding information on stats for love
> related i-mode sites. Since most of them are unnoficial, the stats I have
> seen are quite ambiguous. Would anyone know the user
demographics,competing
> sites, etc..? Most importantly are the numbers like Rennai no Kamisama's
> 230,000 users cumulative or recurring?
>
> Any little advice would be a big DOMO ARIGATO.
>
> Thanks,
> -GEORGE RUIZ
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "thomas" <thomas@synapsx.com>
> Subject: Re: keitai-l Digest V2 #89
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:59:52 +0800
>
> Yep, interesting stuff to know indeed... how are doing "love related
i-mode
> sites"? For cultural purposes of course...
>
> Jokes appart, I remember that some months ago, many were saying that
> sex-related applications would be the real "killer apps". How much is this
> happening on I-mode/in Japan?
>
> Thomas Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net
> [mailto:keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net]On Behalf Of george ruiz
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:09 PM
> To: keitai-l@appelsiini.net
> Subject: (keitai-l) Re: keitai-l Digest V2 #89
>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I am having a bit of a hard time finding information on stats for love
> related i-mode sites. Since most of them are unnoficial, the stats I have
> seen are quite ambiguous. Would anyone know the user
demographics,competing
> sites, etc..? Most importantly are the numbers like Rennai no Kamisama's
> 230,000 users cumulative or recurring?
>
> Any little advice would be a big DOMO ARIGATO.
>
> Thanks,
> -GEORGE RUIZ
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>
> [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Seamus McAteer <SMcAteer@jmm.com>
> Subject: Re: US Java Phones
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:38:47 -0400
>
> there are a some Motorola J2ME enabled handsets being made available for
> Nextel's iDen network. Its still early days. Nextel controls its channel
and
> Motorola is the only handset vendor (it more or less financed the build
out
> of the network) and this should result in clean execution. Nextel
> subscribers tend to use the phones for work--primarily blue collar work.
> Would expect that at least a couple of million will be in use by the end
of
> the year!
>
> S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAPON.NET [mailto:web@japon.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:02 AM
> To: KEITAI-L@appelsiini.net
> Subject: (keitai-l) US Java Phones
>
>
> CNET reports that Java Phones were introduced in March in the US.
> Anybody has more info? How are sales going?
>
> Qualcomm adds to partner brew CNET News.com April 13, 2001
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5595654.html?tag=mn_hd
> (...)
> Analysts say even with Qualcomm's BREW gaining more than 60 developers, it
> still pales in comparison with Sun's Java initiative for cell phones,
which
> has signed on about 11,000 developers. Phones with Java and applications
> like a rudimentary Tetris-style game already were introduced last month in
> the United States.
> (...)
>
>
>
>
> Vincent J. Luna, Director
> --
> JAPON.NET llc.: Making Your Company Visible in Japan
> web_at_japon.net http://www.japon.net/web/
>
> iMode Eye: Independent Source on Japan's mBiz
> http://www.japon.net/imode/
> --
>
>
> [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Luca Franchi <Luca.Franchi@helloNetwork.com>
> Subject: Re: US Java Phones
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:17:22 -0700
>
> Yep, then again I've been trying to get in touch with Nextel for the past
> two weeks and they have no clue on what to do with the i85s, which are
also
> expected to come out in Q4 with a color screen. Unfortunately I was only
> given a reply that in two to three weeks Nextel would actually know how to
> bring the Java potential to fruition. I really hope so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seamus McAteer [mailto:SMcAteer@jmm.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:39 AM
> To: 'keitai-l@appelsiini.net'
> Subject: (keitai-l) Re: US Java Phones
>
>
> there are a some Motorola J2ME enabled handsets being made available for
> Nextel's iDen network. Its still early days. Nextel controls its channel
and
> Motorola is the only handset vendor (it more or less financed the build
out
> of the network) and this should result in clean execution. Nextel
> subscribers tend to use the phones for work--primarily blue collar work.
> Would expect that at least a couple of million will be in use by the end
of
> the year!
>
> S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAPON.NET [mailto:web@japon.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:02 AM
> To: KEITAI-L@appelsiini.net
> Subject: (keitai-l) US Java Phones
>
>
> CNET reports that Java Phones were introduced in March in the US.
> Anybody has more info? How are sales going?
>
> Qualcomm adds to partner brew CNET News.com April 13, 2001
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5595654.html?tag=mn_hd
> (...)
> Analysts say even with Qualcomm's BREW gaining more than 60 developers, it
> still pales in comparison with Sun's Java initiative for cell phones,
which
> has signed on about 11,000 developers. Phones with Java and applications
> like a rudimentary Tetris-style game already were introduced last month in
> the United States.
> (...)
>
>
>
>
> Vincent J. Luna, Director
> --
> JAPON.NET llc.: Making Your Company Visible in Japan
> web_at_japon.net http://www.japon.net/web/
>
> iMode Eye: Independent Source on Japan's mBiz
> http://www.japon.net/imode/
> --
>
>
> [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
> [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:23:04 +0200
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc?= Feinbier <loic.feinbier@wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: application errors on phone.
>
> Had the same problem (and also my stuff ran fine on the emulator). The
only
> thing you can do is catch any exception that can be thrown, open a popup
> textbox and display the exception's error description. Doesn't help much
but at
> least it provides a little more detail...
>
> Ashish Agrawal wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Does anybody know how to debug an iAppli on the actual phone ? (it only
> > gives me a generic message, saying that "application contains an
error").
> >
> > BTW, everything works fine on an emulator .. so i have no clue what's
going
> > wrong. Any suggestions.. or any experinces anyone wants to share. ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Ashish
> >
_________________________________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
http://www.hotmail.com.
> >
> > [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:30:04 -0700
> Subject: Javascripting in Imode
> From: Virgil Vergara <virgil@hawaii.rr.com>
>
> I've seen some Imode pages with Javascripting. I know this might sound
> stupid but what do people here use javascripting for in Imode? What kind
of
> effects are achieved when using javascripting?
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:33:33 -0700
> Subject: Common Compact html tags
> From: Virgil Vergara <virgil@hawaii.rr.com>
>
> Would some of you folks would like to tell me what kind of compact html
tags
> are the most useful in Imode? If you like to email me personally that
would
> be fine also. Since NTT is coming out with 3G most of these compact html
> tags are still going to be useful now and in the near future right?
>
> I'd like to compile a list of compact html tags and state what they are
used
> for. Any assistance on this matter would be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Virgil
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Jose Raphel <jose@netscaler.com>
> Subject: Re: Javascripting in Imode
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:50:48 -0700
>
>
> iMode Phones do not have script engine. It is ignored
> by iMode, but the same content may be renedered differently
> by script capable browsers such as IE or NetScape.
> -- Jose
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virgil Vergara [mailto:virgil@hawaii.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:30 AM
> To: keitai l appelsiini.net
> Subject: (keitai-l) Javascripting in Imode
>
>
> I've seen some Imode pages with Javascripting. I know this might sound
> stupid but what do people here use javascripting for in Imode? What kind
of
> effects are achieved when using javascripting?
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:33:09 +0900
> From: Juergen Specht <js@nooper.com>
> Subject: Re: Common Compact html tags
>
> > Would some of you folks would like to tell me what kind of compact html
tags
> > are the most useful in Imode? If you like to email me personally that
would
> > be fine also. Since NTT is coming out with 3G most of these compact html
> > tags are still going to be useful now and in the near future right?
> > I'd like to compile a list of compact html tags and state what they are
used
> > for. Any assistance on this matter would be helpful.
>
> But Virgil, did you NOT read THE i-mode FAQ?
> http://www.eurotechnology.com/imode/faq.html
>
> This FAQ gives answers to questions like:
> What are HTML tags for? What fancy Javascript I can use on
> which flippy phone? What can I do with 3 G's?
> Why DoCoMo ignores Hawaii (except for holidays)?
> Why created DoCoMo i-mode? Why created god humans without
> brain-integrated Keitai?
>
> And even much, much more!
>
> ;)
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Randall Mackay <rmackay9@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: application errors on phone.
>
> Hi,
>
> Normally the "application contains an error" message pops up right
> when the iappli is started and I believe it's normally caused by an
> error in the jam file. Some things to check (which you probably
> already know):
> The scratchpad size isn't set too big
> The last updated date is formatted correctly
> If you're downloading to the P503i that you've got 'Apr'
> spelled 'Apl'
> the size of the jar file is correct
>
> I also get this message if I forget to preverify the classes
> before putting them in to the jar file. Again, the emulator I use
> (i-jade) can handle the classes even if they're not preverified but the
> phone can't.
>
> -Randy
>
> Loïc Feinbier wrote:
>
> > Had the same problem (and also my stuff ran fine on the emulator).
> The only
> > thing you can do is catch any exception that can be thrown, open a
> popup
> > textbox and display the exception's error description. Doesn't help
> much but at
> > least it provides a little more detail...
> >
> > Ashish Agrawal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Does anybody know how to debug an iAppli on the actual phone ? (it
> only
> > > gives me a generic message, saying that "application contains an
> error").
> > >
> > > BTW, everything works fine on an emulator .. so i have no clue
> what's going
> > > wrong. Any suggestions.. or any experinces anyone wants to share.
> ??
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Ashish
> > >
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:44:56 +0900
> Subject: Re: US Java Phones
> From: "JAPON.NET" <web@japon.net>
>
> Thanks
>
> Looking at Nextel's web I found these two Java models
>
> i85s "Sale Price: $199.99"
> http://www.nextel.com/phone_services/vphones/i85s/index.shtml
>
https://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/nol/ProductDetailServlet?skuIdentifie
> r=i85s&type=phone
>
> i50sx "Sale Price: $149.99"
>
https://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/nol/ProductDetailServlet?skuIdentifie
> r=i50sx&type=phone
>
> They both require a cable ($34.95) connection to a PC which dowloads the
> applets
> "iDen Update" http://commerce.motorola.com/nextel/main/
> And these are the current apps. available
> a) Expense Pad
> b) Sega Games
> c) LoanCalc
> d) Reversi
> e) Calculator
> f) Snake
> g) Minesweeper
>
> Not much... but the cable idea is interesting.
>
>
>
> Vincent J. Luna, Director
> --
> JAPON.NET llc.: Making Your Company Visible in Japan
> web_at_japon.net http://www.japon.net/web/
>
> iMode Eye: Independent Source on Japan's mBiz
> http://www.japon.net/imode/
> --
>
>
>
> on 01.4.17 1:17 AM, Luca Franchi at Luca.Franchi@helloNetwork.com wrote:
> > Yep, then again I've been trying to get in touch with Nextel for the
past
> > two weeks and they have no clue on what to do with the i85s, which are
also
> > expected to come out in Q4 with a color screen. Unfortunately I was
only
> > given a reply that in two to three weeks Nextel would actually know how
to
> > bring the Java potential to fruition. I really hope so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Seamus McAteer [mailto:SMcAteer@jmm.com]
> (..)
> >
> > there are a some Motorola J2ME enabled handsets being made available for
> > Nextel's iDen network. Its still early days. Nextel controls its channel
and
> > Motorola is the only handset vendor (it more or less financed the build
out
> > of the network) and this should result in clean execution. Nextel
> > subscribers tend to use the phones for work--primarily blue collar work.
> > Would expect that at least a couple of million will be in use by the end
of
> > the year!
> >
> > S.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JAPON.NET [mailto:web@japon.net]
> (...)
> >
> > CNET reports that Java Phones were introduced in March in the US.
> > Anybody has more info? How are sales going?
> >
> > Qualcomm adds to partner brew CNET News.com April 13, 2001
> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5595654.html?tag=mn_hd
> > (...)
> > Analysts say even with Qualcomm's BREW gaining more than 60 developers,
it
> > still pales in comparison with Sun's Java initiative for cell phones,
which
> > has signed on about 11,000 developers. Phones with Java and applications
> > like a rudimentary Tetris-style game already were introduced last month
in
> > the United States.
> > (...)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vincent J. Luna, Director
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Daniel Scuka <daniel@japaninc.net>
> Subject: Vote for your fav i-Appli
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:00:55 +0900
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm putting together a list of the top iApplis to date. Drop me a line
with
> your fav, listing:
>
> iAppli name type locn (Which site) why I like it my name
>
> I'll collate and rank returns and the list will appear in J@pan Inc. If
you
> want your name used, include it in the text of your message; if not,
don't.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Daniel
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Harry Behrens" <Harry@Behrens.com>
> Subject: Re: Vote for your fav i-Appli
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:21:34 +0900
>
> I also recommend you have a look at gigahz.net. They are one of the
> authorities on i-applis in Japan and also operate a ranking page.
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net
> > [mailto:keitai-l-bounce@appelsiini.net]On Behalf Of Daniel Scuka
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:01 AM
> > To: 'keitai-l@appelsiini.net'
> > Subject: (keitai-l) Vote for your fav i-Appli
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm putting together a list of the top iApplis to date. Drop me a
> > line with
> > your fav, listing:
> >
> > iAppli name type locn (Which site) why I like it my name
> >
> > I'll collate and rank returns and the list will appear in J@pan
> > Inc. If you
> > want your name used, include it in the text of your message; if
> > not, don't.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --Daniel
> >
> >
> > [ Did you check the archives? http://www.appelsiini.net/keitai-l/ ]
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of keitai-l Digest V2 #90
> *****************************
>
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